Ramaphosa: I had no knowledge of Gigaba, Gupta relations

He's giving evidence in his capacity as president of the country.

Evidence leader Anton Myburgh posed questions on Transnet.

He asked the president about whether he had knowledge about the relationship between former minister Malusi Gigaba and the Gupta family.

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"What we do know is that Mr Gigaba was a minister of public enterprise at all material times relevant to the acquisition to the 10 (64) locomotives where there was a great deal of looting by the Guptas.

"There is evidence denied by Mr Gigaba before the commission he was very much in the pocket of the Gupta's to the extent being evidence denied by him that he would be told by AJ Gupta that if he didn't do as he was told he would be sent back to the department of home affairs and that utmostly is what happened. Do you have any comment on that?"    

Ramaphosa said he had no knowledge of it.

"I just saw the movement of people from one department to the other. So I would not really be able to comment on that because in the end it is the president's prerogative to appoint and move ministers, release them."

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Myburgh said: "So I think there is common cause fact that I want to ask you about in relation to Mr Gigaba and then at this very time when he was the DPE minister when there was the acquisition of the 10 (64) locomotive when there was looting by the Guptas. Mr Gigaba's own evidence that he was friendly with AJ Gupta and that he would socialise at the Gupta compound. You don't know anything about presumably?”

Ramaphosa answered: "No I didn’t know anything about that."